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jaximus · Oct 31, 2008, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Jiao Yang

It'd be full of PvP characters who don't trade. You'd get a mix of people talking PvP stuff and people trading.

last i checked there was a local chat channel and a trade chat channel... heck, wasnt it just on the login announcements to remind players to use the right channels?

also, it wouldnt hurt for some people to hear about whats going on in the pvp world, maybe this will help a newer player learn quicker.

wouldnt be hard to put a merch/material guys in the temple. prolly shoulda had one there from the start seeing as it is a major port city. could add it in a build and on the login screen have a message like...

"to appease the need for pvp players to acquire resources for their competitive ventures, we have added the full compliment of traders to the great temple of balthazar in an attempt to make it the trading hub of the gw world. please feel free to check out the new town."

that would prolly be enough, and since a majority of players buy/sell on the same char, once they are in a town, they would log in and that town, problem solved.

Alleji · Oct 31, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

That would be nice, but it won't happen... temple will remain just a niche for z-key selling/converting into ectos.

You can't just force arbitrary changes like that upon a community. It will not work, even if the change would be for the best. Languages (English more so than most) are a good example of this... they are not structured in the most rational manner, but any attempt to artificially make them more consistent or straightforward fails miserably, because the "old way" has evolved over a long period of time, and people are used to it, they will resist change. By the time most of the old people are replaced, the new people already got used to the "old way" as well.

Change is only possible over very long periods of time (generations in terms of languages, and I would estimate at least several months in terms of GW) and no sufficiently powerful and consistent force has been around for that long to make those changes.

So unless you get a few thousand people to move to temple, while encouraging the rest to do the same, and keep at it for several months, you're not going to get any results.

The Little Viking · Oct 31, 2008, 08:49 PM // 20:49

um......do not agree.
1st off, what does it matter if you have a party of 8 or a party of 1 to trade? As for heros, there still is no need to kick heros in kamadan. Its not like you have to have an empty party slot to trade. The only convenience of having an empty party slot is to copy and paste the name of person your trading with...and that's not absolutely necessary. But if you do find yourself in a position you need to have an empty slot, kick koss...its not like hes hard to find.
And like you said, there are no NPC-traders in GToB. As for hopping back and forth from GH to GToB just to check the price of say....rubies...something you didn't plan on selling but someone is wanting....makes it a pain to have to go to GH check price...Go back to GToB and hope to find the person wanting to buy.
Lions Arch, Keineng, and Kamadan have been the big trade towns from the beginning. Leave it that way. If its not broke, don't fix it.

Kook~NBK~ · Oct 31, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by dimitjeeuuhh

You can have a party of 8 people, so no need to kick heroes out.

if you choose to party up with people to trade, this would be nice. But there are a lot of people, including msyself who don't like to form a party for trade purposes, since on many, many occasions, the other person will map travel to who-knows-where,dragging me along with 'em!

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If you have some mules, you can easily trade with your mules in GToB.

You can just easily trade with mules in Kamadan.

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Everyone can reach GToB, now only people with NF added to their account can join in the big trade-town.

Although Kamadan is the main trade town, LA & KC still get plenty of business in their respective campaigns. One important benefit these towns have over GToB is that they're not out-of-the-way places. People end up there following the story-line, sometimes several times.

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GToB is much smaller than Kamadan, so easier to find your buyer/seller.

It won't be any easier to find someone in a crowd of people crammed around storage anywhere you go.

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Easier travel into Elona (no more lag because of needing to pass Kamadan).

It may reduce the lag, that's true.

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There are no NPC-traders in GToB (Crafting Material Trader, Merchant,....), you can easily fix this by going to your Guild Hall (if it's full).

This trumps any reason for moving the main trade center from a main town to an outpost.

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I know everyone will have to make some effort to do this, but it's possible...It would make trading much easier imo.

Not everyone will get on board with this, since people are resisitant to change, as stated all ready, the GWG population makes up a very small fraction of GW players. When HM first came out, there was an effort to make certian cities in the various campaigns centers for forming Vanquishing parties - it didn't last long.

Rhamia Darigaz · Nov 01, 2008, 01:55 AM // 01:55

gtob doesn't have all the traders kamadan has, harder to monitor prices and such.
this alone means kamadan>gtob

**cosyfiep** · Nov 01, 2008, 08:34 AM // 08:34

no, I have NO reason to go to gtob...I dont pvp ever and rarely have faction to get those keys...why should I have to go there to trade??

also NO guild hall for my guild....not everyone has one.

/notsigned....though I do wish that anet hadnot made the starter city of nightfall the place to trade....LA works well as its far enough into the game, kaneng too is ok...but kamadan, doesnt work out so well for me.

MithranArkanere · Nov 01, 2008, 11:55 AM // 11:55

It's the crowd who decides the place where they will trade.

They will go where they see more people. And they see more people in Kamadan.

An outpost would need something unique and special no other outpost has and that can only be done there to make people go trade there.

Even if you turned the outpost into a real Town with traders, artisans, Festival hat makers and all the stuff PvE Towns have, people won't go there if they have nothing to do, so we'll stay the same: People would trade there only Zaishen keys, and mostly after Tournament points are given.

Nah. In a fully instanced game with so many outposts that make people spread all over the world, what you need is a system that works regarless of the outpost you are in.

And, here comes again, the Xunlai Marketplace as it was described in the data found in the gw.dat a long time ago would still be the solution.

komma · Nov 01, 2008, 11:59 AM // 11:59

gtob has its own market and doesn't need to be plauged w the rest of the wts'ers! the point to kmd, la, kc being trade towns is they are port towns....now go fail somewhere else.

FrAnt1c² · Nov 01, 2008, 12:03 PM // 12:03

Gtob is already a trade town, I usually do all my trades there if I sell an item on guru, gtob is the place to be. Other then that, if you want to buy zaishen keys, you also know gtob is the best place for that...
Every town has its "purpose", imo, its fine the way it is, if you want to trade in kamadan, just kick your damn heroes tbh...

Dr.Jones · Nov 01, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

i think the main thing gtob is missing is the npcs it dost have a rare trader, common mat, or just a merchant if they added those npcs to that area i think it would have been used more but now that kamadon is so used i think thats the place to be.

Quaker · Nov 02, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04

As an addendum to the petition - petition ANet to add a merchant and material traders to GToB. Since they are not going to implement an auction house or any other in-game trade system, that would be the next best thing. They could even help by saying they did so to encourage people to trade there, in the update notes.

In spite of what many people have said, having one outpost that ALL players can access is beneficial to both the sellers and the buyers. It's a pain in butt to have to skip around to 2 or 3 towns to buy/sell stuff. As a person who used to sell a lot of stuff through Guru Auction, I can say that I would really have liked to be able to buy/sell other stuff while sitting in GToB Intl1 waiting for Guru customers to show up.

Think about this - you get that shiny new sword you've always wanted as drop or from a chest. It's great except you want a +30 pommel and 20/20 for it. So go to Kamandan...... spam WTB......go to L.A.... spam..... go to KC..spam.. go back to Kamadan - rinse & repeat for a hours/days. Meanwhile, of course, the people selling those things are jumping around too.

Now, compare that to - get sword - goto GToB... put WTB in Search - get back to game in minutes.